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		<title>By: JohnK</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-566</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did A-theists have to argue their position? I am an A-theist, that is, I do not believe in God. That&#039;s it. No further explanation required. It is for those who DO believe in a God to prove their position, which of course they cannot. So, wouldn&#039;t it be better for believers to just keep it all to themselves instead of trying to belittle/decry/criticize those of us who do not believe and just want to get on with life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did A-theists have to argue their position? I am an A-theist, that is, I do not believe in God. That&#8217;s it. No further explanation required. It is for those who DO believe in a God to prove their position, which of course they cannot. So, wouldn&#8217;t it be better for believers to just keep it all to themselves instead of trying to belittle/decry/criticize those of us who do not believe and just want to get on with life.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Dawkins is a bigot&#160;&#124;&#160;Is a bigot.</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Dawkins is a bigot&#160;&#124;&#160;Is a bigot.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pulled the link and read Dick&#8217;s tirade, and as much of a fan of Dick&#8217;s writings and wider work as I am, I had to agree. Matt was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pulled the link and read Dick&#8217;s tirade, and as much of a fan of Dick&#8217;s writings and wider work as I am, I had to agree. Matt was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To refer you back to the actual question:

&lt;b&gt;1. Aren’t you saying people who believe in a higher power are idiots because science can explain why we’re here? Hypocritic[sic].&lt;/b&gt;

I&#039;ve met and read about any number of highly intelligent people who profess a belief in some flavor of &quot;higher power&quot;, ergo I&#039;d be an idiot myself to say that &quot;people who believe in a higher power are idiots&quot;. 

The belief &lt;i&gt;itself&lt;/i&gt; may be &quot;foolish&quot; (for some appropriate definition of the term), but certainly that doesn&#039;t make the people who believe it &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; &quot;idiots&quot;.

And as stated, I don&#039;t think &quot;why [are we] here&quot; &lt;i&gt;in the metaphysical moral sense&lt;/i&gt; is the proper province of Science. As you indicate, &quot;how did we get here&quot; certainly is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To refer you back to the actual question:</p>
<p><b>1. Aren’t you saying people who believe in a higher power are idiots because science can explain why we’re here? Hypocritic[sic].</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met and read about any number of highly intelligent people who profess a belief in some flavor of &#8220;higher power&#8221;, ergo I&#8217;d be an idiot myself to say that &#8220;people who believe in a higher power are idiots&#8221;. </p>
<p>The belief <i>itself</i> may be &#8220;foolish&#8221; (for some appropriate definition of the term), but certainly that doesn&#8217;t make the people who believe it <i>necessarily</i> &#8220;idiots&#8221;.</p>
<p>And as stated, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;why [are we] here&#8221; <i>in the metaphysical moral sense</i> is the proper province of Science. As you indicate, &#8220;how did we get here&#8221; certainly is.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are confusing belief with knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are confusing belief with knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with your interpretation of #1.  Belief in a higher power is a foolish idiotic belief.  Rather than waffling over the issue you should confront it with yes you think the belief in god, something there is absolutely no evidence of, is foolish. Science, even unproven and incomplete theories have a basis in provable facts.  You can demonstrate any theory or at least show how you arrived at that conclusion with things that can be demonstrated without saying &quot;It&#039;s Divine Magic.&quot;  

Secondly science doesn&#039;t have to explain why we are here.  Its a ridiculous question to start with.  What science can do is show through hard physical evidence and proven theories how we got here.  If you put the discussion in the realm of why rather than how you might as well be discussing the existence of faeries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with your interpretation of #1.  Belief in a higher power is a foolish idiotic belief.  Rather than waffling over the issue you should confront it with yes you think the belief in god, something there is absolutely no evidence of, is foolish. Science, even unproven and incomplete theories have a basis in provable facts.  You can demonstrate any theory or at least show how you arrived at that conclusion with things that can be demonstrated without saying &#8220;It&#8217;s Divine Magic.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Secondly science doesn&#8217;t have to explain why we are here.  Its a ridiculous question to start with.  What science can do is show through hard physical evidence and proven theories how we got here.  If you put the discussion in the realm of why rather than how you might as well be discussing the existence of faeries.</p>
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		<title>By: danfearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>danfearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea I&#039;m toying with at the moment is whether, regardless of the question of current morality, we would be where we are in social morality without religion -- whether we could have developed all the imaginary social constructs of our current mythos without having passed through religion at all.

For example, I was pondering he optimistic idea of everything turning out all right, the bad guy getting punished and the good guy winning in the end. It underlies our conception of justice, which is more than simply human legal antics.  But in order to develop a sense of this absolute construct which is completely unprovable, intangible and fictional, at some point did we have to believe in ages past in some force of being that was supposed to make things turn out all right?  After all, when we get to human cases, away from the imaginary vague absolute, we quickly realize justice is a very subjective idea.  Yet the &quot;everything will be all right in the end&quot; idea pervades our fiction, our self-help genres and our aphorisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea I&#8217;m toying with at the moment is whether, regardless of the question of current morality, we would be where we are in social morality without religion &#8212; whether we could have developed all the imaginary social constructs of our current mythos without having passed through religion at all.</p>
<p>For example, I was pondering he optimistic idea of everything turning out all right, the bad guy getting punished and the good guy winning in the end. It underlies our conception of justice, which is more than simply human legal antics.  But in order to develop a sense of this absolute construct which is completely unprovable, intangible and fictional, at some point did we have to believe in ages past in some force of being that was supposed to make things turn out all right?  After all, when we get to human cases, away from the imaginary vague absolute, we quickly realize justice is a very subjective idea.  Yet the &#8220;everything will be all right in the end&#8221; idea pervades our fiction, our self-help genres and our aphorisms.</p>
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		<title>By: danfearnley</title>
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		<dc:creator>danfearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or an agnostic is someone who refuses to answer the question based on an assumption.  If something is unprovable (and logically whether or not there is a god is not dependent in any way on whether the theory of evolution is correct or not), then any answer is not based on proof, but on belief.  Surely most of us have enough of an imagination to come up with at least three possibilities where evolution might be true and there is a deity.  If it&#039;s unprovable, it&#039;s unprovable.

I don&#039;t hold with agnostics who don&#039;t believe in belief, because pretending that there is no bias or human tendency to act on the basis of an assumption is hypocritical. But leaving an unanswered question open is not only agnosticism, it&#039;s good science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or an agnostic is someone who refuses to answer the question based on an assumption.  If something is unprovable (and logically whether or not there is a god is not dependent in any way on whether the theory of evolution is correct or not), then any answer is not based on proof, but on belief.  Surely most of us have enough of an imagination to come up with at least three possibilities where evolution might be true and there is a deity.  If it&#8217;s unprovable, it&#8217;s unprovable.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hold with agnostics who don&#8217;t believe in belief, because pretending that there is no bias or human tendency to act on the basis of an assumption is hypocritical. But leaving an unanswered question open is not only agnosticism, it&#8217;s good science.</p>
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		<title>By: danfearnley</title>
		<link>http://www.isabigot.com/2009/06/responses-to-10-questions-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>danfearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but atheists have precisely nothing to prove in more than one sense.  There is no burden of proof on either side until a person with a belief in something or in nothing starts attacking someone else&#039;s belief.  If you really want proof before believing in anything, you&#039;d probably be better off being an agnostic rather than trying to prove an unprovable negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but atheists have precisely nothing to prove in more than one sense.  There is no burden of proof on either side until a person with a belief in something or in nothing starts attacking someone else&#8217;s belief.  If you really want proof before believing in anything, you&#8217;d probably be better off being an agnostic rather than trying to prove an unprovable negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I find that this is certainly a good set of answers. 

I find that when Dawkins addresses the issue of morality in chapter 6 and 7 (I think) of the god delusion, he makes a good statement about the idea of moral absolutes. You touch on it in here, but it&#039;s not quite clear enough, I think. Moral absolutes are kind of silly because there is no real way other than god to justify it, and when a moral dilemma arises, they are immediately invalid because you&#039;re dealing with moral gray zones. then you&#039;ve got at the most basic level two ways to deal with it: Kant&#039;s categorical imperative or a more utilitarian/consequential approach. Fine examples of such gray zones are the infamous &#039;runaway train&#039; scenarios. 

The choice is yours in the end on how you chose to act in any given situation. Doing the morally &#039;right&#039; thing is favorable because you earn your place at the top of a hierarchy through trust. People want to be trusted (for obvious Darwinian reasons: trusty individuals are socially accepted and are then more likely to pass on their genes), so they will likely do what is moral. 

That is why it is evolutionarily favorable to be moral, and why absolute morals as those given by a god, are illogical to abide. the given answers are good, but I think these are better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I find that this is certainly a good set of answers. </p>
<p>I find that when Dawkins addresses the issue of morality in chapter 6 and 7 (I think) of the god delusion, he makes a good statement about the idea of moral absolutes. You touch on it in here, but it&#8217;s not quite clear enough, I think. Moral absolutes are kind of silly because there is no real way other than god to justify it, and when a moral dilemma arises, they are immediately invalid because you&#8217;re dealing with moral gray zones. then you&#8217;ve got at the most basic level two ways to deal with it: Kant&#8217;s categorical imperative or a more utilitarian/consequential approach. Fine examples of such gray zones are the infamous &#8216;runaway train&#8217; scenarios. </p>
<p>The choice is yours in the end on how you chose to act in any given situation. Doing the morally &#8216;right&#8217; thing is favorable because you earn your place at the top of a hierarchy through trust. People want to be trusted (for obvious Darwinian reasons: trusty individuals are socially accepted and are then more likely to pass on their genes), so they will likely do what is moral. </p>
<p>That is why it is evolutionarily favorable to be moral, and why absolute morals as those given by a god, are illogical to abide. the given answers are good, but I think these are better.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Stanko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Stanko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you not read my response.  Or were you referring to the OP?  I never said that atheists believe with 100% certainty.  That was the OP.  I explained how an atheist can be both an atheist and an agnostic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you not read my response.  Or were you referring to the OP?  I never said that atheists believe with 100% certainty.  That was the OP.  I explained how an atheist can be both an atheist and an agnostic</p>
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